How can a Christian

by faith, but I agree I cant prove it to you. But I do believe every day that we wake up and look outside at the sun rising and wind blowing. How complicated every aspect of the human body is as well as working in perfect sync. The way that everything works out perfectly such as plants breathing in Carbon dioxide and out Oxygen and humans vice versa, and on and on and on.. I just find it hard to comprehend people believing this stuff just "happened" or was the result of a big "bang"

But every man will die thats a certain.

Correct, which is why really if you want to get technical it's hard to prove gravity entirely. It's not been tested everywhere on earth, making it a theory. I believe it exists but it's impossible to prove entirely. You just have to make educated beliefs and have faith in things. Such as God, gravity, atoms, etc.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">by faith, but I agree I cant prove it to you. But I do believe every day that we wake up and look outside at the sun rising and wind blowing. How complicated every aspect of the human body is as well as working in perfect sync. The way that everything works out perfectly such as plants breathing in Carbon dioxide and out Oxygen and humans vice versa, and on and on and on.. I just find it hard to comprehend people believing this stuff just "happened" or was the result of a big "bang"

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Agreed, just like they can't prove to me that the "Big Bang" happened. It's my belief that you have to study the information you are given and have faith in whatever you choose to believe that is fact. I choose to believe God put us here, however I understand why others choose not to.

[quote=PVFAN] <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I choose to believe God put us here, however I understand why others choose not to. </div></div>

As do I. I merely believe that if we could PROVE everything, then we have no need for faith. The key word, in my attempt to make heads and tails of things, is a New Testament word metanoia - Gr. meta = change, nous (noia) = mind; metanoia is changing of the mind, or how we perceive/understand something. Changing of the mind is a lifelong process - IMO.

Agreed, which is why there are few if any absolutes imo. I do think changing of the mind is a life long process, it's a waste if you don't use it. BTW, SEC_Football about 75% of what was said in that debate today was lies, I came home and researched it.

Just a question: if there are no absolutes, how does one determine right and wrong? To make thinks more practical, how can you argue that someone's beliefs are narrow minded? Based on who's absolute? You hold absolute values yourself - if you didn't, you wouldn't find it necessary to disagree with those whom you disagree with. Is it all relative? All subjective? If yes, then why isn't anarchy more rampant? Just my 2 cents worth.

Narrow mindedness is when you refuse to listen to others views or ideas and give them no value at all. I personally don't find you narrow minded. However, I have encounterd others who I feel that are. Both believers and non-believers of God.

You'll think I'm wish washy by saying this but it's my opinion that each of us develop a system or structure in our brains determing what is right and wrong that is nurtured through influences. Influences such as parents, school, church, etc. Howevever, I believe each person has a different system or structure. For instance, would someone born homeless automatically feel that stealing is wrong and absolutley wrong? I'm not sure, I think it is absolutley wrong but would they, or better yet could they? Anarchy is held down through government imo. Laws, which I do believe are necessary help stop people from behaving in whatever way they choose. However, after saying that if one wants to do something they will. If a human sets forth intentions to do something to themselves, others, society or what have you it's really hard to keep them from doing so. It's an interesting topic to discuss.

I don't find you wishy washy at all. If I did, I wouldn't bother discussing things on here with you (and I admit the term "discussing" is loosely used, as we can't hear the other's inflection, tone of voice, etc). Personally, I think you're an intelligent young man - and my disagreements aren't to refute you, but more to gage me, where I stand, my thought/belief progress through life. I hope to watch a football game with you this year, to get to know one another - where you can see that I'm not some diabolical, dogmatic person - but that I, like you, am a person traveling through life, seeking answers - you have some, I have some - but neither of us have them all.

I was reffering to wishy washy on that topic not in general. I don't have a problem with you, nor most people on here. There are only a couple I really have no desire to ever see or talk to. If I had any clue what you looked like I'd say hello the next time I ran into you as I'm sure we've crossed paths at some point. I enjoy good discussion, it's good for ones mind imo. I just think you and I in general have varying political views and that both us went overboard from the get go. I'm really not all that liberal at all. If not for economics I would vote republican. That, and well as seen is this thread I put little to no value in morality when it comes to politics. To me, neither party can change the morality of a nation so why should I bother.

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